Would you support secession?

[RandallC]

Im not political enough to be in this conversation but I can 100% assure you that the next 4 years for the 2nd is going to be challenging.

 

[Dan the Man]

 

[Panxerox]

How would that stop anything? Trump still sent in ICE and other federal law enforcement into CA and other states despite them giving edicts against the enforcement of immigration services. There have already been bills submitted to increase ATF funding and personnel. The feds and state officials rarely get along, my father often had to work with the marshal service and FBI. Anytime he had to deal with the latter he said they were arrogant pricks. I doubt that any sort of resolution from states would prevent the federal government from enforcing their laws.

People need to realize that the feds could pull gun stores licensing if they some how managed to continue being supplied with banned firearms and accessories. Everything is linked to the feds. We have to remember that this isn't something that can be accomplished over night and with the stroke of a pen, they are going to play the long game. Ban everything and as decades pass there won't be anymore assault weapons, and the ones that still exist would be privately owned and unable to be transferred to anyone.

The vast percentage of interactions with police are at the local, county and state level if they are not involved with confiscations then chances are you will not be impacted by fed gun control. That being said your right we have no way to impact gun store closures and suppression. But what it will give us is time, time to get before the courts or time to secede with our weapons intact, make no mistake once your weapons are taken you will not get them back and your options are gone and the pyres of burning guns will light up the countryside.

 

[DixieReb]

This country can’t survive the new administration’s policies, we are already a divided nation, Red vs Blue. I say let’s divide up and let the Blue’s go their own way. Need I say more?

 

[Ed Jennings]

Bad idea in 1860, worse idea now.

 

[Zero]

Bad idea in 1860, worse idea now.

Is it? Over reaching federal government, ruling states through edicts from hundreds of miles away. Now they have begun constructing a commission for packing the supreme court. Have fun while the feds rape red states and the constitution as revenge for electing Trump.

 

[Bolts Rock]

Bad idea in 1860, worse idea now.

With the ever increasing taxes they want to shackle us with? The fact lartge numbers of them have proposed "reprogramming" and/or "reeducation" camps for anyone expressing conservative views? With the gun control BS they want to ram through? The coastal and urban dwelling troglodytes want to tell flyoverland how to live and will enforce it with fines, taxes and guns if need be. The right in this country just wants to be left the hell alone, the left is incapable of doing so.

 

[Dan the Man]

Bad idea in 1860, worse idea now.

Enjoy slavery and being replaced by imported socialist voters.

 

[Rubicon]

@Targe

1) I'm not a leftist. Would you like some material on libertarianism? You seem to be grossly misinformed on what it is.


2) regarding "assault weapons"...if you stay on/in your own private property to use your ar15, who will know?


See what i did there? You ok with banning ar15s now? Explain why or why not.


3)"spills into public" Please explain what you mean.


4) its worth noting that a republican led neo confederacy likely wouldn't be pro 2nd amendment. I mean, when was the last time you heard republicans talk about repealing the NFA or GCA? Trump even banned bump stocks. In case you haven't noticed, republicans tend to lead us down the same road as democrats with regards to gun control. They just walk slower.


5) when you think of drugs, you probably think about gangs and violence. So lets talk about drugs, specifically the most popular one: alcohol.


When alcohol was made illegal, what happened? You saw organized crime grow and a black market formed to fill demand for the product. Im going to assume you know a bit about alcohol prohibition and not get into the details too much. After alcohol prohibition ended, what did we see? We saw a reduction in organized crime, alcohol consumers now have access to safe alcohol (yay, no blindness) that is consistent in its alcohol content.


So what would happen if we legalized what you call "drugs" (since you probably forget alcohol is one)? Cartels and gangs would be stripped of their income, the prices of these drugs would go down (smaller chance that an addict would need to steal to afford their next dose of normal), and users would have access to a safer, more consistent product. That means fewer overdoses. Also, you would no longer have to pay for an idiotic war on drugs (drugs are winning btw). To close with a question, what gives you the right to decide what type of property "free*" people are allowed to possess?


Bonus: I dont have a "love for drugs" (they're bad for you and I don't recommend them), I just don't want people in the land of the "free*" to be kidnapped by men with guns for owning a product.

*a ludicrous number limitations aparently apply

 

[Rubicon]

As usual, you make broad generalizations with no regard for facts.

"I'm not a leftist."

Yes. You are.

"Would you like some material on libertarianism?"

You mean more Websters Dictionary definitions? Sheesh...how pathetically dweebish.

"You seem to be grossly misinformed on what it is."

I'm grossly bemused how you seem to think you're a great salesman in your role as an Apostle of the Gospel of Open Borders and a doped-up society. You should go back and tell your Local Party Official you need more training on how to shovel the propaganda.

"regarding "assault weapons..."

I didn't mention assault weapons.

"After alcohol prohibition ended, what did we see?"

I doubt you were alive then to see anything but I'll indulge you.

"We saw a reduction in organized crime, alcohol consumers now have access to safe alcohol (yay, no blindness) that is consistent in its alcohol content."

Illegal moonshine production continued and continues to this day. Organized crime 'still' has a heavy hand on the throat of the alcohol distribution and consumption business. Alcohol consumption is basically a vice and all vices are subject to exploitation by criminal elements regardless of the legality of the vice. Only a simpleton would claim otherwise.

Your claim that legalization of all drugs would magically transform the industry into just another acceptable business enterprise -or practically become a benefactor of culture and society- is stupid.

But yep, there you go again. No matter the topic, you always start banging a tambourine and chanting about libertarianism. You probably stick leaflets under wiper blades of cars in the parking lots at gun shows.

You're a caricature of a cult member. In fact, if I look up "cult member" in a Websters Dictionary...

There you are.

1) way to tell me what my own beliefs are despite me making a small books worth explaining to the contrary.

2)if you think libertarianism is leftest, you still dont know what it is. Am I supposed to apologize for trying to inform you? last time we spoke, you shut down instead of making an actual, logical argument. So step down off that high horse before you hurt yourself.

3) as far as "assault weapons" I was making a point based on what you had written. How about you refresh your memory on the context before commenting on a month old post.

4) I never claimed I was alive during prohibition, go grasp for straws somewhere else.

Did I claim that there would be zero crime around these substances? No, I didn't. The point is that there would be a huge reduction. Are you really going to choose this hill of alcohol prohibition to die on? There was a reduction in organized crime around alcohol. Ill bet you buy your Miller light from a gas station instead of the Latin kings. And I doubt your gas station goes to war with the one across the street over turf.

 

[Rumrunner]

I think the secession topic was abandoned somehow.

 

[Dan the Man]

I think the secession topic was abandoned somehow.

This LIBERALtarian is running all over the place.

 

[Rubicon]

This LIBERALtarian is running all over the place.

Aren't there some questions you're supposed to be answering for me? I was most interested in your answer for number 1.

 

[Zero]

Libertarians just want to be left alone and none of it should matter as long as it doesn't affect other people. Doesn't matter if it's guns, alcohol, drugs, or prostitution. Nothing he said was "LIBEROAL REEEE". People need to stop the mouth foaming. I still think secession is the answer given the alternative / future we have now is one where Biden has already threatened to pack the SC, get rid of the filibuster to pass whatever they want, and now are talking about taxing us for the amount of miles we drive while in our cars. If you don't see the clearly defined differences and which one is better than you're acting delusional. Magaland is definitely better than Bidenville, at least in Magaland we have a chance of changing the system. If we continue down the leftist road we are going down now Republicans or any libertarians for that matter will never have a snowball chance in hell of ever holding any major office again.

 

[Grooper]

Hell yes. But socialism isn't the boogey man many people seem to think, its less of a problem than many other issues today.

Would you? Our way of life, values, and future are about to go extinct. The trend of the US is towards socialism. If the "elites" have their way we will be replaced by third world imports. Just curious what yall think.

 

[Trs]

Hmmm, this seems appropriate, funny how history repeats itself.
When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."

 

[American Patriot]

Evil can only prevail as long as good men do nothing.

 

[Dfalt]

Evil can only prevail as long as good men do nothing.

Yep, and right now good men are still doing nothing. I'm starting to wonder what it's going to take for good men to do something.

 

[Joel6180]

As a young person, I remember being told to "love it or leave it". I think I'll start saying that to folks who whine about what they perceive to be the current state of affairs.

 

[Trs]

Is secession the right word?? The original colonies did not secede from England. They declared thier Independence!! I know it's only semantics, but some times words matter. Maybe the real question is should we declare independence, and what about greater Atlanta??